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Summary of BBC’s ‘The Election Debate’ on 7th June 2024, 7.30 pm

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Participants

  • Penny Mordaunt, Leader of the House of Commons, Conservatives
  • Angela Rayner, Deputy Leader, Labour
  • Daisy Cooper, Deputy Leader, Liberal Democrats
  • Stephen Flynn, Westminster Leader, SNP
  • Rhun ap Iorwerth, Leader, Plaid Cymru
  • Carla Denyer, Co-Leader, Green Party
  • Nigel Farage, Leader, Reform UK

Defence and national security

Angela Rayner

  • Thanked the serving armed forces personnel
  • Committed to the nuclear deterrent
  • Committed to 2.5% GDP spending
  • Solve accommodation issues

Daisy Cooper

  • Maintain the nuclear deterrent
  • Reverse cuts to troops
  • Increase spending year on year to 2.5% by the end of the next Parliament
  • Solve accommodation issues

Nigel Farage

  • Recruit 30,000 into the army full time

Penny Mordaunt

  • Prime Minister has apologised for leaving the D-Day commemorations
  • Treasure veterans
  • Committed to spending 2.5%
  • Accused Labour of lacking credibility on the nuclear deterrent

Angela Rayner

  • Clear that the nuclear deterrent will be maintained

Carla Denyer

  • High priority to tackle issues such as veteran homelessness
  • Biggest threat is climate change
  • Spend defence money more effectively
  • Climate change will create conflict

Stephen Flynn

  • Spend money on conventional defence forces rather than nuclear deterrent

Rhun ap Iorwerth

  • Properly fund the conventional armed forces, not by spending money on the nuclear deterrent

Nigel Farage

  • Raised £100,000 to send veterans to D-Day commemorations

Nigel Farage, Rhun ap Iorwerth, Daisy Cooper

  • All criticised the Prime Minister for leaving D-Day events

Health and Social Care

Daisy Cooper

  • 8,000 more GPs with guarantee of appointment in 7 days, mental health hub in every community, free personal care, end dental deserts – costed in the manifesto via taxes on big companies

Stephen Flynn

  • Spoke of his personal experience of the NHS between the ages of 14-32 as a disabled man
  • No tuition fees in Scotland
  • Criticised austerity for contributing to NHS waiting times

Angela Rayner

  • 40,000 new appointments every week by ending the Non-Dom tax loophole
  • Put more home care services in

Penny Mordaunt

  • Extra workload for the NHS due to covid backlog
  • Keep the economy and budget strong and public spending will go up
  • Criticised Labour for cutting the NHS budget in Wales
  • Increase the number of healthcare professionals

Rhun ap Iorwerth

  • Committed to free at the point of need NHS
  • Take no profit out of the NHS with no privatisation

Nigel Farage

  • NHS model isn’t working and spending more money doesn’t work
  • Change the model to something similar to France

Daisy Cooper

  • King’s Fund analysis shows different funding models don’t make a difference to health outcomes

Carla Denyer

  • NHS has been underfunded
  • Investment in the NHS, including £30 bn on health services and £20 bn on social care and one-off £20 bn capital investment – paid for by reforming the tax system

Immigration

Stephen Flynn

  • Migration is essential to public services and businesses, especially given ageing working populations
  • End the demonisation of migration and the race to the bottom on migration

Nigel Farage

  • Net migration has gone up, with millions of people migrating over the past few decades
  • Many people arriving are not economically productive but dependents

Rhun ap Iorwerth

  • Change the tone of the debate which is framed around bigotry
  • Proper processing of asylum claims and migration for public services

Penny Mordaunt

  • Cut personal taxes so people keep more of their own money
  • Immigration is too high so would introduce an annual cap on migration
  • Suggested Labour would allow uncontrolled immigration

Angela Rayner

  • Scrap the Rwanda scheme to pay for a new border command
  • More training for UK people to fill gaps that currently rely on immigrants

Daisy Cooper

  • Care workers would receive a higher minimum wage and then invite people from other countries when there are still skills gaps

Carla Denyer

  • Meeting a migrant in the NHS, they are more likely to be treating you then ahead of you in a queue
  • No arbitrary immigration cap numbers

Cost-of-living

Rhun ap Iorwerth

  • Get rid of the two-child benefit cap
  • Making sure people are heard by the Labour Party when it comes in

Angela Rayner

  • Liz Truss crashed the economy
  • Priority is to secure the economy
  • Windfall tax on big oil and gas companies and GB Energy will give money back

Penny Mordaunt

  • The economy is doing better and outperforming some other countries like the US
  • Personal taxes will be cut
  • Accused Labour of raising taxes by £2,000 (the moderator Mishal Husain reminded everyone that this figure has been criticised by the UK statistics watchdog)

Carla Denyer

  • Reframed the cost-of-living crisis as an inequality crisis
  • Green economy to create well paid jobs, for example on a national insulation programme
  • £15 minimum wage for all ages, uplift to universal credit and removing the two-child benefit cap

Nigel Farage

  • Increasingly people opting not to work
  • Taxes on energy bills go to wind farm companies
  • Reduce net migration to zero
  • More people being raised into the higher tax brackets

Stephen Flynn

  • 14 years of austerity
  • Brexit has impacted the economy more than the covid pandemic and is an unmitigated disaster

Daisy Cooper

  • Lib Dems fought the Conservatives every day while in coalition
  • Windfall tax on oil and gas companies

Delivering election promises

Penny Mordaunt

  • Clear pledges that you can measure progress against
  • Pledge to lower taxes
  • “GB” in “GB Energy” stands for “Giant Bills”

Nigel Farage

  • Worst election campaign in lifetime, dull leaders, and a broken political model
  • Need proportional representation in Parliament for real change

Angela Rayner

  • Will not promise anything that cannot be funded
  • Will not put taxes up for working people

Carla Denyer

  • Politics at its root is about people
  • Green Party is ‘coming of age’

Stephen Flynn

  • 100,000 children have been lifted out of poverty
  • No tuition fees in Scotland
  • Nationalised water company

Rhun ap Iorwerth

  • Rebuild trust, honesty and fairness

Daisy Cooper

  • Conservative promises at the last election have been broken
  • Tuition fees is a sore subject

Climate

Nigel Farage

  • Pursuing unrealistic climate policies
  • Sensible approach is using new technology and not sacrificing economic growth
  • Carbon emissions have been exported to other countries
  • Will need oil and gas for the next 30 years, net zero is a bad policy

Carla Denyer

  • Nigel Farage is misleading everyone
  • Labour roll-back on their climate investment pledge was disappointing
  • Nation-wide insulation programme

Angela Rayner

  • Economic growth is not divorced from looking at climate policies
  • Green transition via the Green Prosperity Plan
  • Creation of GB Energy

Stephen Flynn

  • Net zero is economic growth
  • Scotland as the producer and leader of green energy
  • Create and protect new jobs through a just transition
  • Middle ground of protecting Scottish oil and gas jobs while creating transition

Daisy Cooper

  • Tackling both economic growth and the climate emergency at the same time through measures such as insulating homes

Rhun ap Iorwerth

  • Devolution of the Crown Estate to make the most of natural resources
  • Wales is owed money from HS2

Penny Mordaunt

  • Do net zero at a pace people can afford
  • GB Energy will not produce any energy
  • Build UK supply chains for things like batteries

Angela Rayner

  • GB Energy will bring energy and clean jobs to the UK

Crime

Carla Denyer

  • More officers on the streets
  • Not all crime can be tackled by being ‘tough’
  • Causes of knife crime are complex with youth services being closed

Nigel Farage

  • Do Stop and Search
  • Bring in tougher prosecutions

Daisy Cooper

  • Change the model of policing to focus on community
  • Suspicionless Stop and Search is not valid and should not be used

Penny Mordaunt

  • Offline crime is down, with more police on the streets
  • More police embedded in communities

Angela Rayner

  • Educate young people and put 13,000 more neighbourhood police on the streets

Rhun ap Iorwerth

  • Crime highest in areas of most poverty
  • Zero tolerance on knives
  • Devolution of justice and policing to make systems work for Wales

Carla Denyer

  • Asked other members of panel to join her in signing Citizens UK pledge for a counsellor in every school to help with mental health and youth violence

Stephen Flynn

  • Investment in areas that need support the most to prevent people turning to violence

Nigel Farage

  • Approach to crime is wrong as low-level crime is growing

Final thoughts

Angela Rayner

  • 14 years of chaos – it is time for change
  • Fully costed plan will secure the economy and borders and bring down NHS waiting times
  • GB Energy will bring down bills and create jobs
  • More neighbourhood police and 6,500 teachers

Stephen Flynn

  • SNP believe in investment in NHS, action of cost-of-living crisis, rejoining the European Single Market and creating economic growth through delivering net zero
  • Fight for Scotland’s right to choose its own future

Carla Denyer

  • Labour Party has changed…into the Conservatives
  • Green Party is on the cusp of breaking through
  • Green MPs would protect the NHS from privatisation and push the next Labour Government to do better

Rhun ap Iorwerth

  • Vision is a positive one
  • Send Labour a message to stop taking Wales for granted

Penny Mordaunt

  • Choose Labour for higher taxes, higher bills and pensions raided
  • Conservative plan is working: cut taxes, protect pensions, defend the nation

Daisy Cooper

  • Liberal Democrats would fix NHS and social care, tackle the cost-of-living crisis and put an end to the sewage scandal

Nigel Farage

  • Reform UK is about to become a political phenomenon – join the revolt

Source: Randall’s Monitoring

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